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AFG 2024 Annual Faceting Competition

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  • 07 Sep 2023 9:41 AM
    Message # 13251080
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Ask all your question here for the 2024 competition.

  • 09 Sep 2023 9:07 PM
    Reply # 13252162 on 13251080

    Thanks Ed.

    Everyone, the 2024 Annual competition has been added to the Guild’s website.  I printed 200 copies so each State could have some to promote the competition, these were released at the Muster.

    It is easy to download the Schedule from the web and I recommend you do that.

    Andrew Brown created a new design for this competition.  It is a variation on his Tiger Yin Yang.


    If you load a design into your copy  of Gemcad or Gem Cut Studio please remember to give credit to the designer by adding the designer’s details to the file.  


    Gordon Perkins for the Competition Committee 

  • 22 Oct 2023 4:36 PM
    Reply # 13270152 on 13251080

    Hi Gordon, what has changed in Release 2?

  • 23 Oct 2023 12:58 PM
    Reply # 13270332 on 13251080

    The Release2 is concerning Section N10.3 only for the Trioptic Blast design. The C1 facet is incorrectly shown and didn't conform to Andrew Browns' design. The new release is correcting this error, which requires recutting of the original C1 facet to now meet T, C2 & C3.

  • 23 Oct 2023 10:48 PM
    Reply # 13270404 on 13251080

    Hi Paul,

    The committee wholeheartedly apologises to Andrew for the mistake.   We didn't see the woods for all the trees. 

    When the design was entered into Gem Cut Studio to allow all diagrams in the competition Schedule to be presented in the same format, the C1 angle wasn't added, meaning that the last angle used (P3) was used instead of the C1 angle.  This meant that the C1 facets didn't meet the table and the shape of the C2 and C3 facets was changed.

    Luckily Rick agreed we could update the diagram, but entries cut to either diagram will be  accepted to be fair to entrants having already cut an entry using the incorrect diagram.  The statistics for both stones are in substance the same as the table height and dimensions are governed by the C2,C3,Table meetpoint.

    The other, but not as nice solution would have been to re-label the incorrect diagram something like "Committee's Mistake" or "Ah Whoops", which in my view isn't as appealing as Andrew's design, although the optical performance is very similar due to Andrew's pavilion design and the height of the Crown.

    Entrants who have not finished cutting their entry for section I.10.3 now have the choice of finishing the stone as is or lowering the C1 angles to the correct  angle so the C1 facets meet both at the C1,girdle meet and the C2,C3,Table meet.


    Gordon Perkins for the 2024 Competition Committee

  • 24 Oct 2023 4:43 PM
    Reply # 13270785 on 13251080

    All good. just so competitors can see what's different & changed. Thanks

  • 12 Nov 2023 11:07 PM
    Reply # 13278446 on 13251080

    Hi All,

    We have had a query about the diagram for the Pear No. 3 by Evan Williams, Section O.10.3.  The diagram in the Competition Schedule has a Pre-form and the original diagram on page 140 of Australian Facet Designs by Evan Williams, compiled by Hank Prins didn't.  Hans E. prepared the preform to make it easier to cut.  I was proof cutting to the original design and spent a lot of time on getting the girdle outline right due to the relatively shallow angle changes in the Pavilion.  Hans' pre-form made this easier and he completed proof cutting the stone before I finished the pavilion.

    I confess I made a change to the C15 facet angle when preparing the diagrams for the competition.  The C3,C4,C13,C15 meet point does not quite meet in the original design and I felt as a committee we should at least have all meets in the diagram meeting up.

    So the bottom line is whether you use the diagram in the book or the Show Schedule you will get the same stone, the judges won't know how you got there and it doesn't matter.  The same goes for re-organising the order in which you cut the facets (although you'll have a hard time re-organising how you cut rows P8 to P:23 of this design if you have not used a pre-form).

    One further point.  Evan's original design was for Sapphire and we are using Topaz.  As the RI lowers you need to start making hard choices as to whether you optimise the stone for maximum table reflection or maximum all crown facet reflections.


    It's the cutter's decision as to whether or not to adjust the height of the crown or pavailion or both using the tangent ratio method to adjust the performance of the stone.  Both GCS and Gemcad do this automatically. 

    This is permitted by the rules as this does not change the shape of the facets when the stone is viewed by looking along the C Axis (top and bottom views).   

    Of course the facet is elongated or shortened when viewed from the side otherwise the stone would not work. 

    This is different to simply changing some of the facet angles, or even all of them by a set amount.  That method may work for a round stone, but it changes the facet shape and the judges will pick this up.  I doubt it would work at all on this design.

    One last point on optimisation, this affects the Visual effect score (6% of the overall mark).  We have set out to provide designs which perform well.  But in some designs there are trade-offs and everybody's view of how a stone should be optimised is personal.  In this design, how the stone is set (i.e. in a ring or as a drop) can influence those choices. 

    By the time a cutter is competing in the Open competition one view is that the competitor ought to be able to critically appraise a design and have the latitude to adjust its performance using the tangent ratio method.

    Happy Faceting.

    Last modified: 13 Nov 2023 9:25 PM | Anonymous member
  • 03 Feb 2024 8:52 PM
    Reply # 13310039 on 13251080

    The latest Facet Talk 255 magazine indicates a different closing date for this years competition. On pages 14 to 20 (at top in red) incorrectly shows 25th May as the due date, which is in contrast with the published schedule (Conditions of Entry #11).

    Please be aware we are accepting entries until the 1st June 24.

    Hans Emmenegger (for the Competition Committee)

  • 05 Feb 2024 8:11 PM
    Reply # 13310607 on 13251080

    Ugh!  Sorry everyone, I was thinking of the approximate date by which you would need to post your entries within Australia for them to be received by the 1st.

    The actual date will depend on where you live and whether you use express or ordinary post.

    Don’t forget your competition entries need to be in the Committee’s post box on or before the deadline specified in the competition schedule.

    Happy faceting

  • 13 Mar 2024 3:55 PM
    Reply # 13328697 on 13251080
    Does anyone know how I can download the 2024 comp diagrams and open in Gem cad. Thanks.
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